mainstream for the republicans? are they going to have to distance themselves from this? these things start out with 20,000, 30,000, next thing you know they become so politically strong, gosh, these lawmakers don't want to get primaried, you know, so they better jump in line. what about that? >> it's all about that. you nailed it. they're afraid of getting primaries. now, the fact richard mourdock lost that race will make some republican senators feel they can have a little bit more elbow room on things like this. it's already being mainstreamed by the men you your talking about with richard wolffe a few minutes ago, john mccain, mccain, graham, kelly ayotte, replaced lieberman now as the third -- >> what do we compare this to, this secession movement, to anything in american history? other than the civil war? i mean, this is new territory, isn't it? >> yeah, yeah. it's totally new territory. half of me wants to say, let texas go, let texas be a republic of texas and they'll soon find out what's involved. for starters, they'll have to impose an income tax on people. which they don't now. >> yeah. >> and let them pay for their own social security. let them pay for their own medicare. let them see what it's like. fine. >> all right.